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Post by Atlantis Fri Aug 01, 2014 7:17 am

First topic message reminder :

The actual tribe system is similar to a militar one, where the tribes look to be "armies". We have:

Tribe leader - the commander
Lieutenant - second in command

The other ranks are generally the "militar units".
...

I think this kind of system is outdated. We have several users that they have characters with their unique personalities. So the tribe leader can't command anymore because it would be a tyrant. We have kingdoms that can't be administrated with the power only in the hands of one person. It looks to be a dictatorship system and the majority of people will be certainly upsed by that.

I think the tribe leader system can be improved with the following changes.

1. We have male and female for every tribe. So the leadership isn't anymore in the hand of one dragon, but two dragons. There's a male exponent and a female exponent.

2. We don't have a Liutenant anymore. The leaders will be supported by several Advisors. There's no limit of Advisors a tribe can have. Advisors have the important role to support the leaders, listening tribe members and understand the needs of the tribe.

To do a example. The SeaWing could have
1. Korramyr - Male Leader
2. ShiningWater - Female Leader
3. Atlantis - Advisor
4. Other advisor
5. Other advisor
...

A more interested project would be to split the kingdoms in feuds. There're Duke/Dukess that rule over a territory and they support the leaders. However this kind of project is very complicated to do for now. So we have simply Advisors to make it easier and the userbase will understand better their role. Advisors will make the life certainly easier to tribe leaders.

Also, I suggest to remove the semi-god state of tribe leaders. I think it's very important that tribe leaders can be challenged (or replaced) for the throne. This will give equality to all the dragons and prevent a leader to have a role of tyrant. However challenging a tribe leader isn't something that can be done carefree. There must be good reasons behind that.

For example, Volcanis can challenge ShadowFire and try to conquer the throne. However, the other FireWings would prefer to have ShadowFire as their leader. So Volcanis can't actually challenge the leader because he isn't supported by tribe members.

Another example: Atlantis can challenge Korramyr for the throne. They could be both two good male leaders and the SeaWings will split into two sides. So a fight will decide who is the new ruler. However Atlantis would never challenge Korramyr because he knows Korramyr is a good leader.

Third example: The majority of Advisors and tribe members agree a tribe leader needs to be changed. So the actual tribe leader will simply step down and a new one will be choosen.

To all tribe leaders: don't be scared to lose your "God" powers. If you're really a good and wise leader, you won't lose your rank because your character fits the role very well. A tribe leader should be choosen for the ability to listen and take care of tribe members, not for the strenght. As I have said at the start of this topic, the military system can't really work. There're emotions and feelings involved during a roleplay. People need to openly manifest the personalities of their characters without the fear that a tribe leader can punish the character because the leader has god powers.

Also, Dragon Gods should simply be creators. I have seen they can influence the events in Pyyria and take decision for others.

I suggest: Gods characters should be exclusively used to give suggestions. Or else Gods look as dictactors if they can do whatever they want, abusing their God-state.

I'm not accusing anyone. I know nobody is using its character to act as a tyrant. You're all very awesome people and you'll always do your best. I'm simply saying the actual system looks to be dictatorial, though you don't have the intention to be dictactors. We need more equality in the forum.


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Post by Atlantis Mon Aug 04, 2014 5:19 pm

Shao Nevikaar wrote:You know, i'm done with the topic. You clearly offended me by rubbing stuff in my face and accusing me of things that happened then. This shouldn't get approved because it messes the whole system up. And since you found it reasonable to shove that topic in my face, your a damned hypocrite and a traitor. That treaty we had is over, welcome to my enemies Atlantis. ~Shao


[[btw, no need replying to this, i'm not gonna check Wink ]

I don't know what is your problem with me. I have always considered you a friend, but you keep talking about me like I'm a sort of adversary.

I have never intended to offend you. You have indeed thrown me some offenses, though you're a moderator.

I see everyone here is ok with my idea to have male and female leader. But I was actually thinking to have a poll because I understand your point of view.

The whole system was already messed up anyway. My idea should be indeed a step forward towards equality and fairness having a leader for gender.
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Post by Akreious Mon Aug 04, 2014 5:40 pm

Where did this come from? O.o

IK it's a argument but... COVER KID ARCKES EYES NOW!!!

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Post by Kazumi Mon Aug 04, 2014 9:14 pm

Guys, drop the argument. We can take a poll to see if the majority of the site approves or disapproves.
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Post by Akreious Mon Aug 04, 2014 11:29 pm

Kazumi-San to the rescue!!!
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Post by Atlantis Tue Aug 05, 2014 12:03 am

Ok then, we're going to have a poll! Another thing I think it's important:

two males or females that are equally strong and high in the ranks, they can decide to share the leadership instead of fighting. They should have their rights to take this decision.

Tribes shouldn't be forced to have the single leader. Two competitive elements of the same gender can decide to share the leadership.

This is my last thought, then we'll do a poll to see which direction the forum will take.
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Post by Frostflare Tue Aug 05, 2014 8:09 am

So both I , AND Snowfall can be leader?
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Post by Atlantis Tue Aug 05, 2014 8:22 am

Frostflare wrote:So both I , AND Snowfall can be leader?

We need to wait for Phantom to come back and start a poll to have two leaders instead of one. For now there's still the kingdom system.
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Post by Frostflare Tue Aug 05, 2014 8:33 am

Ok, I hope phantom accepts, because I like this idea.
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Post by Akreious Tue Aug 05, 2014 10:30 am

*changs accept*

Oh btw r we gonna continue the the plague thing?
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Post by Frostflare Tue Aug 05, 2014 10:32 am

Yeah, I posted on it today.
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Post by Akreious Tue Aug 05, 2014 10:34 am

Kay I'll check it out
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Post by Frostflare Tue Aug 05, 2014 10:35 am

Yeah, I think we should support this idea. (Ok, you do that Arke)
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Post by Akreious Tue Aug 05, 2014 10:38 am

Agreed
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Post by Frostflare Tue Aug 05, 2014 10:45 am

Yeah, so we will just have to wait for a Admin to accept. Phantom! Trnyah! Kazumi! Come! We need you!
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Post by Akreious Tue Aug 05, 2014 10:48 am

*repeatedly knocks on the admin door*
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Post by Frostflare Tue Aug 05, 2014 10:51 am

We need you to accept! Come on admins!
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Post by Zephyros Tue Aug 05, 2014 10:57 am

We have now a poll where we're voting about the leadership. Check this topic.

http://rpgdragons.forumotion.com/t1078-leadership-system#16087
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Post by Frostflare Tue Aug 05, 2014 11:00 am

Ok, thanks. I am gonna check it out!
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Post by Akreious Tue Aug 05, 2014 1:13 pm

So... If this thing is finished should we lock it?
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Post by Volcanis Sat Aug 16, 2014 4:59 am

I'm going to update this topic and have the admins consideration.

As everyone knows, we have two leaders now after a poll about the leadership. So that means we don't have Kings/Queens anymore.

However the forum is a total mess because the SeaWings have actually two leaders, but the other tribes have still Kings or Queens.

So It's unclear what is the current rule.

We should do these changes, following the result of the poll.

1. We don't have Dragon Kingdoms anymore, but Dragon Territories. The King/Queen system has been abandoned

2. The actual Kings and Queens should be changed to Leaders.

3. Tribe ranks have to be changed. We have Leaders now and not King/Queen. I have already a suggestion for the new description.

Tribe Leaders: a tribe has always two leaders. They can be one for gender, or two of the same gender. Two leaders can also come from the same family. Leaders aren't forced to a mate relationship and they are quite indipendent because of that. A leader can mate with the other one or choose a dragon from another tribe. Leaders collaborate each other to guide the tribe and understand the necessities and demands of tribe members. They are tribe representatives and their word reflects the collective opinion of tribe members. They call councils when it comes to take crucial decisions for the tribe.

Almost a week has passed, but nothing has been changed. I see the admins are active everywhere (forum and chat), so my assumption is there's a lack of professionality.

Once a idea has been approved, it should be immediately applied. That's the work of an admin afterall.
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Post by Frostflare Sat Aug 16, 2014 12:13 pm

Agreed. I thought that we were going to put this in action last month, when it was conformed! Yet nothing has been done. I always thought if I waited that it would happen. Patience is key, as they say.
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Post by Guest Sun Aug 17, 2014 7:31 am

Fine. Approved. Are you all happy now? Derp

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Post by Volcanis Sun Aug 17, 2014 7:45 am

Trinyah wrote:Fine. Approved. Are you all happy now? Derp

Trinyah, the poll has already been approved.

What I'm saying: there's no switch to the new system. We still have King/Queen system and tribe ranks aren't updated. This is causing a lot of confusion and a week has already passed.

So what's the actual rule? Changes should be immediately applied or the forum looks to be messy.

Go on with the new changes and update everything.
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Post by Guest Sun Aug 17, 2014 7:52 am

Alright, I'll stop doing what I was doing and update the damn thing. There, you happy now? -_____-

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Post by Sleenia Sun Aug 17, 2014 7:58 am

Trinyah do you realize you are acting pissed off when this is a completely normal situation when the forum need the changes to be applied? it's nothing against you so why do you reply like
"are you all happy now" in a bad manner??? it's not very nice... :/
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